Ramblin' & Amblin' (2026-10-17): Straight to it I've got ADHD not like
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Ramblin' & Amblin' Field Notes with Mike Hall (Staff Software Engineer) Recorded on the move: engineering observations, systems architecture, and software craftsmanship reflections.
The Interviewer
Mike Hall
Host, ramblin-amblin
The Presentation
Mike Hall
Host, ramblin-amblin
▶ Speaking
So straight to it I've got ADHD not like kind of sorta like
cool ADHD but kind of ADHD there was a problem since I was
a small child and made me a challenging person inside of a
structured school system in the 1980s in farmland America
in blue collar world and I've not
not kind of sorta in a touchy-feely modern way but actually
to the point where I actually had EEGs whatever and CBT
therapy where I had to like concentrate on while the
sensors were on my head and navigate a little spaceship
through like a 3D arcade game it was actually really cool
and it was a lot harder than it sounds because boy
and it really did give me a sense of that I do have like a
different way of approaching things and reasoning with
things and you know there's times in my past where when I
was seeking help for
I got other diagnoses but no the only one that is stuck is
ADHD because that one was verified the other one was based
off of a single session and I'm not gonna put too much
weight on it
the thing is is that one of the interviews I did for you
tastic I was with Bob Martin uncle Bob as the kids like to
call them the topic of I was trying to this is
that interview was during a period where I was really
learning about this topic and another topic that I don't
have a definitive diagnosis but I have had people in the
know say have you ever been tested for autism in the most
caring and loving way possible
so just that is where it is
um but I when I interviewed uh Robert Martin uh Bob Martin
uh we talked a little bit about masks and and personas and
uh I was that was heavy on my mind at the time this kind of
thing I was I was aware that I was struggling um
um you know I had a lot going on my life at the time um I
was starting up the juketastic channel I was
approaching people who like
were big names um and they and they it was
literally a mask because I would reason through this I used
logic it's a chaotic good barbarian would say autismal uh
logic that if I
you've got this this thing where I'm already interviewing
user group people and I want to uh have a broader audience
I need to bring in uh bigger names and then put those
people in um shoulder to shoulder with the people that are
out leading the community who are the unsung uh leaders uh
are often overlooked but um
you know all of this was reasoned through
and and and why I really pursued doing euketastic after
that first series
um
and then you know culminates in me sitting down with uh
uh Uncle Bob and and uh
talking about masking and and his persona on stage and his
persona off stage because I had seen him and just enough
not seeing that we're you know having brunch on the Sunday
I'm just saying that just through passing interactions and
him coming to the user group and and presenting and I just
like to observe people
you know like I I kind of reason my way into doing euket
astic as a way to talk to people that I normally wouldn't
have
or not a reason but uh
uh
Autismal logic
about why uh
why they don't want to talk to me before I even
uh
give them a chance
and uh
and just not knowing how to broach that uh
personal um
gap of I I have no idea what people are thinking
none
no idea
you guys are all a mystery to me
um
and that's probably why I asked the questions what I'm
asking is
uh
you know off off stage
you know reserved
professional
no issues
nothing
I mean
politics aside
you know that's
I'm not getting into
um
any of that
I'm just talking about
uh
presence
and uh
um
um
then on stage
just being a whirling dervish
you know
so
such a showman
and he
and he knows it
and he talked about that
and I really appreciated uh
that interview
but it's really the uh
the thing that
I carried the most from that
and
I'll talk about this when I eventually get to that episode
but uh
he
acknowledged that I
gotten him to talk about things he
he normally didn't talk about
and I
I had a few people
say things to me after
interviews
that were really positive
um
but also
revealing to me
against my own
desire
my own
narrative
that I had more to offer
than I realized
and that
um
and this is a predicament of
of having struggled in
I think
uh
struggled to fit in
in a structured school environment
and
and having to learn
survival skills
to pretend to be a certain way
to put on a certain face
to defend yourself a certain way
to
oh
there's a nickel
let me get you out of there
yep
there's a nickel
there we go
yeah
I don't know if that tells you anything
but uh
save that for later
save that for later
I've got five good lucks on me
um
that uh
that uh
that uh
that uh
that
that
I know that masking
is something we do
even
normal people
when you're
you're in
a different
context
uh
code shifting
code change
whatever that is
code shifting
when you're talking differently
depending on your audience
maybe
um
use a slang
um
with your friends
but when you're in a professional environment
you
you might use that slang
you use a different word
um
there's that
but then there's
um
having a logic through
what somebody is saying
and what their likely emotional state is
and having like
reason that out
that
the mask
um
cracks
under pressure sometimes
not out of lack of will
but sometimes
there's so much going on
and there's so much thought
that
you can't think fast enough to
to do all the calculus of
what somebody else's
face and body language is trying to tell you
and how you're supposed to
tune your response to that
and you don't understand
why
they're upset with you
um
or what you said
um
or didn't say
there's a deer in front of me
I'll just stop here for a second
let it eat it's lunch
um
and then you end up in this kind of shame spiral
and then it kind of becomes
you go to put the mask back on again
and it doesn't fit anymore
because
uh
it's broken too many times
and then you're
sort of getting just anxious in that situation
where
you have previously had to have
carried yourself a very certain way
because
you know that people like to be
hear things in certain order
that
um
certain level of
of
detail
and abstraction
for that conversation
um
bringing
topics back
keeping
vague
statements vague
um
I
I
I'm gonna get back to this
to the interview
um
cause I'm going too far
is that he
uh
let's keep it under 15
uh
the uh
the interview with
oh there
there's the deer again
if you can see him
hello
so
we'll walk together here
and look at the deer
as they talk
oh there's two
there's two
three
one
two
three
so yeah
squirrel
squirrel
yeah it's true
but um
the utastic interviews
were
for me
a way to
have a mask
that let me
engage with people
when I didn't know
I didn't know how to
be normal
I just didn't know
how to be normal
so
I'm gonna show
these interviews
like even that one
with Bob just said
it was um
Mr. Martin
I feel weird
saying Uncle Bob
and I always have
sorry
um
the um
the um
it was a mask
that I put on
and then
like it was the only way I could make myself do it too
to do it too
as well as like
if I had like
really thought about what I was doing
and I don't mean I
oh my god
did I put thought into it
oh my god
did I put thought into it
but uh
what you saw was the best I could do
and I can only imagine what some people thought
when they were brought into a room and they saw my rig
I was
um
operating in maximum capacity
and I didn't know how to be helped
and I just knew how
to just find a way to
make this happen
even if it
was a janky
bunch of lamps that I set up
that I bought at
at Target
because I couldn't afford
like the proper lamps
and the whole scaffolding
and all that stuff
and I was like
how am I going to get this there
um
so
you
you get these
weird lighting effects
and shadows
it was terrible
but
it was all part and parcel
I think of
what
I was
trying to figure out
I was
I was
you know
I wasn't Tony Stark
but I was in a cave
with a box of
of scraps
um
trying to figure out
an identity
that allowed me to
justify my existence
in this
space
and
do what I thought was
something
interesting
but it was
probably
there's
there's
there was a
survival
I always felt like
I had to go
way beyond
the normal
just to
justify my existence
in there
and again
this is all part of that
ADHD
um
um
um
ADHD
ism
uh
and
uh
you know
struggles
with uh
structured schooling
and largely
you know coming out
and having a career
where
it was mostly
um
self-taught
or at the very least
self-directed
uh
and always feeling that
anxiety over
not
not
not being able to
accept it
without the
uh
morals
of
uh
of the
uh
people around me
uh
that I had to like
find this way to
to justify
I belong to
and that's
what eutastic was
it was just another mask
that I put on
to justify
existing
and I was curious
and I just
just like
every person
that was doing something
that I could talk to
I sat down and talked to
um
but
um
yeah
so back to
ADHD
and
and mass
I don't know
I
um
I've been afraid to talk about
really
ADHD
or
anything
related to that
even though it's caused me
so
much
difficulty
or
my lifetime
um
even
with help
even with meds
sometimes it even made it worse
and
um
um
there's no one single
anything
uh
but
uh
I fear I can't
be any worse
every interview I'm on
I'm on
right now
I'm a
nervous wreck
and I
when I get nervous
I
as you probably figured out
I talk too much
I'm going to turn around
because there's people
coming on the trail there
um
so I get nervous and I talk too much
and I'm very direct
and
and
I will
sometimes struggle to
come up with a
a question
back to somebody
because
if I had a question
I would have said it
um
so
when I'm presented with
different questions
yes
uh
could I
possibly articulate them now
without us being here for
a month
um
and also
just
sometimes
at the
the interviews
right now
uh
with jobs
I'm
I'm
I'm
this is rambling and ambling
either you
you're here for me to
talk too much or not
um
that's cool
but
um
with AI
again
um
talking to places
and it feels like
a lot of companies
still are operating
as if
they're
like just
learning about AI
and
there's others that are
um
I think they believe that they know
a lot about it
not that I'm saying I'm a
genius
but I think that there's a little
overestimation of our own
abilities here
but then there's
most of them though
feel like they're still
operating in
the old paradigm
uh
there's
it's gone
sorry guys
um
I uh
I'm not super jazzed
about it either but
you know
I didn't choose for it to be this way
um
so it
it feels weird
you know
and also getting interviewed for a senior
like a staff position
and then getting a coding exercise by
a uh
senior developer who's got
I don't know
eight years experience
and this is not a knock
I know
I was doing
stuff at TicketsNow
that I'll talk about
um
another time
at
eight years roughly of
of experience
um
as a senior
so I'm not knocking that
I know that it's possible
but
there is a depth of experience
that
seems really odd
to be giving that
specific test to a
uh
a senior staff engineer
um
in the age of AI
where I've seen what I can do with AI
and uh
I know what's going to be expected
because there's no way
businesses
are going to figure this out
if they're still haven't gotten there yet
um
and I know that the uh
cheap token economy is
is finite
and that it's going to have its day
but
there's enough out there
that it's
it's not going anywhere
and it's not going to get
um
less
you know
look at the cloud
look at the push for cloud
look at the push for microservices
um
you know
there's going to be people working it all the time
um
so yeah
it's like some places
it feels like it just hasn't
hit them yet
it's an owl
and um
they're asking
now I've led
and I've been a senior software engineer
I've been a lead engineer
I've been
technically an engineering manager
um
I say technically because
it was mostly a contractor's team
and uh
and one employee
um
and uh
and it was a short engagement
but uh
I've gotten
I've been through all levels of being a software developer
through to software engineer
uh
I fancy myself sometimes
but I know
how little we are actually
truly engineers
um
in the software field
uh
based off of
pretty extensive
working experience
with a broad range of people
um
yeah
it feels like there's
something coming
and that
uh
people
aren't
adapted to it just yet
and I worry that it's gonna hit them
real hard
but in the meantime
it's made it pretty frustrating
and going back to you
that ADHD thing
and
and
and
directness
and that
possible autism thing
I don't know
at least
traits
enough that people have
said it in independent
but um
reliable
contexts
um
that I've also experienced
bringing information
too soon
to people
who weren't ready for it
um
and that being a pattern
in my life
um
and then I get frustrated
and
a
or a change of behavior
and it's just not aligned with
the group mindset at that time
or what the expected status quo is
and
you know
maybe that's why I always liked
punk rock
like minor threat
out of step
um
but
uh
yeah
just
that isn't proof enough of my ADHD
that I started off talking about ADHD
and then I talked about Bob Martin in interviews
and why I was doing interviews
and then about
the particular interview I did
with him
and talking about masking
masking
and then
ending up
on a digression
talking about
uh
frustrations
with interviews
where
that uh
um
that masking
doesn't always work
because
what my mask was tuned to
uh
we're gonna hold on here
we're gonna
just walk by
hi
just
recording a video
not recording you guys
just
have a good one
but
uh
okay
I'm giving them a second to get past
uh
but uh
the uh
the uh
the um
default defensiveness
uh
being used to
talking too much
being used to
uh
having to uh
self edit
um
was tuned for
a way
that um
is out of sync
with where I think
some folks are
and that's why I think I feel it
in particular as a
as a um
very
acute
disconnect
in some
groups
where I'm
because I'm not necessarily as hung up on
on uh
the social
cues
and things like that
I'm just looking at
a little bit more
of the abstract
problem
and
the connections
inside of it
I've been told
I'm a mapper
not a packer
um
but uh
I'm trying to do a little self acceptance here
so
pardon me if I'm
um
propping myself up a little bit here
I'm boosting myself a little bit
a little bit
to uh
accept that
yeah
I'm seeing things
and there's times where I see things
that other people don't see
and then
I've had enough people
come to me
weeks
months
years later
and say
it worked out
the way you said it would
in the sequence and timeline
you described it in
and
the problem is
is that
that usually comes
not when
everybody's ready to hear that
and then
I would get frustrated
and again
be out of
alignment
with
with
where the people are
with me
and then
that mask
that allowed me
you know
to at least function before
was
cracking a bit
and
under stress
under frustration
some
some of
some of it self-applied
because I
would make
um
I would take it very seriously
because
and I wouldn't see what
the more subtler
um
reasons why
the response wasn't what I expected it to be
so I learned a lot
but
it put me in a cycle
that's
uh
where I
kind of lost my calibration
for
um
finding
a way back to
a way back to
the way people talk
when they've
are interviewing you
and they
this is their
uh
yeah they've been doing this for nine years
but it's their first job out of college
and they just kind of stayed there for the entire time
and what I've seen is in people like that that I've worked
with
where I've been through the arc of my experience with them
is that sometimes they are just
oblivious
is not
the word I want to use
and ignorant
is
is
is not
in the
um
negative sense
but
you know to not know
is to be
you know ignorant
and to be
um
oblivious
you know same thing
they don't
operate
at a
at a level
um
and
they're used to
looking at everything
so they have
they're
they're tuned in
to their specific thing
and they kind of tune everything else out
um
because it just never arises
for them
um
you know they've never had to go through the interview
process
they
they know
the anxiety of
of
uh
being on unemployment
uh
because
at will states will just
jettison you for
whatever reason
and you can say whatever you want
and i know that i've probably not helped myself a few times
but uh
i'm
also have no
i have no
none
zero
zero regrets
for
any of the reasons i've ever
left a company
there's times where
well i should say in the last 10 years
um
there's times
prior to that 10 years i'd say
where um
the market was a little crazy and
not every idea was a good one
um
but uh
this last 10 years has been
um
i'm good
i'm good with where i'm at
there's uh
there's um
a cost and a price to you know
learning what your money tastes like
um
um
sometimes that
that
money arrives in a fist
um
but uh
i've tasted it
and uh
i'm
not trying to loosen myself up with some
people's
hero
i'm
i'm
boy am i not
uh
the uh
the point is
is that
i don't know how much of that came from
ADHD
or
autism
or anything like that
i don't know how much my
justice sensitivity
or uh
my um
rejection
sensitivity
um
came from
but
before i had
a diagnosis
i just didn't like myself
i just didn't like myself
and i didn't think it was
i thought i was always a problem
i was
i was
but not as much as i thought i was
and a lot of it was just because i just couldn't figure out
what everybody else was doing
or why
why
why
what i was doing
they didn't
understand
um
you know
i've had certain experiences in my life now that uh
have let me see things in a broader picture
but i
know that
just being able to say
yeah i have ADHD
i probably have
at least i display autistic traits
and it's
it's been
it's been
a burden
at times
i don't
know
i don't like it when i hear people say
it's a superpower
because it's not
and i
i think that um
it's kind of like
the x-men
you know
they were
the mutants
they were different
but it didn't always
work out
for them
and it was usually
a huge hassle
i feel
isolated
um
and
and
when you don't know
you
and you don't even have a word for it
you just
think it's you
but
so i don't like
when they call it a superpower
but then again
why would i have done eutastic
why would i even be doing this video right now
why would i have done a lot of the things i've done that
were not so bad
i don't know
alright
thanks
bye