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Ramblin' & Amblin' Field Notes with Mike Hall (Staff Software Engineer) Recorded on the move: engineering observations, systems architecture, and software craftsmanship reflections.
The Interviewer
Mike Hall
Host, Ramblin' & Amblin'
The Presentation
Mike Hall
Host, Ramblin' & Amblin'
▶ Speaking
I've also been a remote first person for a long time, I've
been doing it since the mid-2000s, off and on, more on than
off, but one thing that has really, over all this time,
become a rule that I know some folks are controversial on
this topic, they don't like to have the cameras on, they
have the reasons. You know, a protest against invasion of privacy, things
like that. I hear you, and then I'm also aware that, you
know, even if we apply filters to our backgrounds, that
ultimately the camera is able to take, you know, a native
image and just apply the filter in the display. I don't know exactly how it's done, but just knowing how
computers work, I know that that's perfectly possible if
they want to.
Mike Hall
Host, Ramblin' & Amblin'
▶ Speaking
So I understand that reluctance, but I will say this, that
particularly as somebody who's been a technical leader,
trying to work through organizational challenges on modern
ization and all kinds of other issues that appear in legacy
systems,
and in my case it's legacy where it's 15 plus years on top
of a much older infrastructure that is on top of a much
older infrastructure. And that's, uh, that's, uh, that's, uh, the level of
complexity was so great that trying to communicate this, um
, via just voice. And all I see is a bunch of, um, uh, initials on the screen
, uh, for the people that I'm trying to communicate with,
and I, and I'm already autistic, and I'm already ADHD, and
I'm already overwhelmed. So I can't tell from silence and initials whether or not
anything I said makes sense, and then it becomes this kind
of, um, um, spiral of, of trying to communicate and ensure
I'm understood.
Mike Hall
Host, Ramblin' & Amblin'
▶ Speaking
And I say this is that fidelity of, of, of, of information,
of communication is, is critical here, and that for those
of you guys who are working collaboratively remotely, I, I
do encourage you to find a way to safely turn on your
cameras, uh, at least when you're talking to people that
you're collaborating with, uh, because this is part of, you
know, the challenge with the RTO, I think,
is that I, not that I've been a manager, but I've had to
communicate complex coordination at scale, um, across
multiple teams, um, for an extended period of time with a
diverse set of, uh, collaborators, and the biggest pain
point was I would say something, and they would be silent,
and I'd say okay, and then they'd be silent, and they'd say
okay, you know, just repeat back
back to me what I just said, uh, uh, can you say that back
again, okay, we're already in, in a trust environment, uh,
and, and now I don't know whether or not you were just not
listening to me, or what I said was too complicated, and
you fritzed out, um, or, or what, you know, maybe you got a
, an alert, I don't know, but I do know, is that you,
you do this enough times, and, hold on, there's, there he
is, he's just a little, uh,
little trapeze artist, he just rode the little branch down
to the ground, um,
but, um, it's not for the corporations, and I'm saying this
, it's not for our bosses, or anything like that, but it is
for your collaborators and technology who are trying to
work with you, and that's, uh, um, if we can't see your
face, I can't see if you look confused, um, you know, I'm
not the best with, um, with, uh, facial cues, but I can
tell confusion, I can tell when somebody's starting to get
a little cross-eyed, uh, listening to something,
but also, I can see the focus, so I can at least see that
the person's focused on what I'm saying, and then I can
figure out when to interject, or, or, or ask a question, or
stop,
whereas, um, whereas when it's just a bunch of initials, it
's, it's, it's, again, it's why even doing these videos is
so stressful, because, um, not having a feedback of
somebody to say, no, no, what, wait, wait, wait, what did
you just say, uh, go back a few times, um, with just a
confused look in their eyes, um,
is, is, is extremely difficult, so it's, uh, it's
understandable why you don't want to have your camera on,
um, in a lot of cases, but I am a camera-first guy, and, uh
, yeah, just for each other, for, for supporting, um, sanity
, uh, with,
when you're dealing with a staff engineer, or somebody who
's running across multiple teams, they're not there to, uh,
to, uh, to, uh, string you up, they're there to, uh, to
make sure that you got the information you need, uh, so
that way you can succeed. Uh, and turning on your camera is, uh, at least for those
conversations, a great way to, to help that. So, that's just my own little tidbit. Turn on your cameras, folks.
Mike Hall
Host, Ramblin' & Amblin'
▶ Speaking
Uh, or find a way. I know. I know. I know we live in a panopticon.
Mike Hall
Host, Ramblin' & Amblin'
▶ Speaking
Like, I have to accept certain things are just simply out
there, and I'm never going to have total privacy. But, um, you know, it's kind of the deal we make. Otherwise, we end up not just, um, you know, back in an
office, but undermining our own, um, goals of, of, of
autonomy and, and some control over our lives. But also, awareness of what it is like to be that manager
who's trying to figure out how to communicate with the team
.
Mike Hall
Host, Ramblin' & Amblin'
▶ Speaking
Um, and, of all just initials and, um, that, uh, you're
trying to coordinate all this work and, uh, maybe it's
overwhelming for you and everybody's just a blank bunch of
initials. Um, and then they want to bring everybody back into the
office. Again, not telling anybody exactly what to do. Just saying that, uh, it, to me, it's very helpful, um, for
effective collaboration to pull those cameras on, um, for
those critical conversations.
Mike Hall
Host, Ramblin' & Amblin'
▶ Speaking
Um, if you want to go back to the party chat afterwards and
, uh, and the camera's off, that's, that's fine. But, um, it's, it's not doing anybody any favors, um, by
having critical conversations with the camera off. Um, again, that's my perspective. All right, thanks.
Mike Hall
Host, Ramblin' & Amblin'
▶ Speaking
Bye.